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| Mike |
Posted on 21-05-2009 01:36
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Valve are slowly losing it. It doesn't matter how much art you put into it, that doesn't make up for a shitty concept. I mean, all the sniper updates are just plain crap. Bow and arrow? A sheild against spies? A jar of piss? Seriously? Compare that to the Spy's death gun, super cloak and special anti-death watch and you've got major balance issues there. |
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| Cpt Obvious |
Posted on 21-05-2009 01:37
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Jarate has arrived! Seems interesting but losing Kukri? That will be a big tradeoff. I like the idea of extinguishing burning teammates. Also guessing from the large amount of jarate based achievement, it will be the first unlockable. |
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| agrippa |
Posted on 21-05-2009 01:39
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im not sure you lose the kukri for that jar. there is an achievemnt that suggest you need to jar someone then melee kill them. Perhaps the shield replaces the kukri and the jar replaces the smg? Gotta say tho i actually reall like the idea of this new "weapon". EDIT::i should just say i havent read teh whole thing as im too tired and there was alot of text. is there soething saying that it will replace the kukri? << Edited by agrippa on 21-05-2009 07:41 |
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| alecom |
Posted on 21-05-2009 01:47
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interesting point agrippa, it might not replace the melee.. which is what I am hoping. Also, the background with the saws going around the point is awesome : D |
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| spaceboy |
Posted on 21-05-2009 01:54
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I think Jarate looks like a pretty interesting weapon, it's got a bunch of cool effects, although I don't know if another antispy weapon was needed? (maybe they'll be so powerful after this update that everyone will have to equip antispy weapons to have a chance!  ).. I wonder if it does any direct damage when you get hit with it or it's just the effects on their own. If it does replace the smg then I can see people taking it to be honest.. although then they may not take the Razorback... peeps do love their kukris Also... HA HA HA Maybe I'm massively immature but I DO think it's a hilarious weapon |
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| Cpt Obvious |
Posted on 21-05-2009 02:34
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Posts: 1167 Joined: 12.04.08 |
Does this comic look familiar to anyone?  |
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| wolflordandy |
Posted on 21-05-2009 02:48
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I remember seeing an amusing one of those to do with Chaos in Warhammer setting. THey joined Tzeench and mutated, thus stabbed the guy in the face, then the girl for being a shallow bitch, then he had a threesome with hawt chicks. |
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| matswatz |
Posted on 21-05-2009 02:57
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Quote AgrippA wrote: im not sure you lose the kukri for that jar. there is an achievemtn that suggest you need to jar someone then melee kill them. Perhaps the shield replaces teh kuk and the jar replaces the smg? Gotta say tho i actually reall like the idea of this new "weapon". EDIT::i shoudl just say i havent read teh whole thing as im too tired and there was alot of text. is there soething saying that ti will replace the kuk? Good thing we're not too many norwegians here... |
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| Cpt Obvious |
Posted on 21-05-2009 02:58
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Posts: 1167 Joined: 12.04.08 |
Quote matswatz wrote: Quote AgrippA wrote: im not sure you lose the kukri for that jar. there is an achievemtn that suggest you need to jar someone then melee kill them. Perhaps the shield replaces teh kuk and the jar replaces the smg? Gotta say tho i actually reall like the idea of this new "weapon". EDIT::i shoudl just say i havent read teh whole thing as im too tired and there was alot of text. is there soething saying that ti will replace the kuk? Good thing we're not too many norwegians here... It's pretty close to the finnish word also |
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| Ramini |
Posted on 21-05-2009 03:42
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Don't like the sound of jarate much.. by the time you get the jar out for most enemies you'll be dead, they'll be dead from a teammate or would have been better with the smg/kukri. vs spies it doesnt seem bad but again, if others are around I just shoot him, if i'm alone then without the smg he'll just kill me and wait for it to wear off. Fire effects are such a niche that unless you can douse yourself thats going to be almost useless. Only things that would make it worth having would be - lasts about a minute - allows the bonus damage through uber (not balanced but valve love destroying uber's usefulness and snipers aren't often near the uber) - the sheer memory of being doused in piss made the enemy take the additional damage for random periods for the rest of the game. - some other effect like their vision being turned slightly yellow for the duration and crits being disabled for them Because I want to guess and I may as well type it. These are achievements Australian Rules: Cap points? Be Efficient: Get a 100% headshot:kill ratio for the round with at least 3 kills Be Polite: Death cam taunt - kukri Beaux and Arrows: Bow kill a medic and his target? Consolation Prize: Kill 50 stunned spies? Dead Reckoning: Headshot heavies with their barrels spinning? De-sentry-lized: Snipe 3 sentries Dropped Dead: Bow kill someone in mid air Enemy at the Gate: Probably something about camping a doorway for 4 minutes Friendship is Golden: Douse a friend's flames with the new martial art! Have a Plan: ? Jarate Chop: Kill jarate soaked enemies with the kukri Jarring Transition: Jarate a cloaked spy Jumper Stumper: Snipe (headshot?) a rocket jumping soldier Kill Everyone You Meet: 1000 kills.. (of each class? headshots?) usually theres one insanely hard one and 1000 kills won't take too long. Kook the Spook: Kukri 10 spies My Brilliant Career: Be number 1 on the scoreboard Not a Crazed Gunman, Dad: Defend the point Number One Assistant: get 5 jarate assists Parting Shot: Headshot someone as they come out of uber (needs to be in somewhere, more snipers need to learn it.) Pincushion: Stick 3 arrows ina heavy Rain on Their Parade: Jarate a medic and their target Robbin"™ Hood: Longbow an enemy with your intelligence Rode Hard, Put Away Wet: Jarate enemies on your point Saturation Bombing: Jarate 4 enemies at once Self-destruct Sequence: ? Shafted: Arrow kills Shock Treatment: Spies stunned with razorback Shoot the Breeze: Snipe spies Socket to Him: ? The Last Wave: Deathcam taunt - rifle Triple Prey: Kill 3 enemies in 3 seconds (oh please )Trust Your Feelings: Kill enemies with full charge shot (nice reference  )Uberectomy: Kill an ubered medic (with bow?) William Tell Overkill: Headshots with bow? |
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| vadoom |
Posted on 21-05-2009 05:58
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It might be just me but i kinda believe you can throw the jar from distance, like on some people capping a point. In this case, it would be really useful to the team and would help "battle" snipers. |
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| vadoom |
Posted on 21-05-2009 06:09
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Btw the achievement "Beaux and arrows" is a play on words about les"Beaux Arts" which is a prestigious french art school. Pablo Picasso paintings on the walls anyone?  |
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| agrippa |
Posted on 21-05-2009 07:45
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Posts: 367 Joined: 03.01.08 |
yeah i did see an achievemnt icon with a spy looking at a jar flying towards him, does suggest it will be a grenade type object. |
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| Armacoast |
Posted on 21-05-2009 10:45
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The funny thing about the jarate is that its already been seen in the Meet the Sniper vid!! http://www.teamfortress.com/sniper.htm  |
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| wolflordandy |
Posted on 21-05-2009 10:50
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Posts: 477 Joined: 19.07.08 |
Uberectomy: Kill an ubered medic (with bow?) This will be to kill a medic with an uber charged, but not deployed. Thus "removing" the uber. Socket too him: Headshot a Demoman (the icon is of a bottle, and in meet the sniper, he got him in the eye socket, thus leaving him blind!) |
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| tomregev |
Posted on 21-05-2009 11:01
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Ok so while the spy gets more deadly and more sneaky the sniper becomes a cartoon. Instead of giving the sniper a secondary weapon that's actually useful he's getting a gimmick, combine that with a shield and an update sniper has only his primary weapon do damage with. Assuming the razorback is the melee unlock I really hope you can at least swing it for some damage. Really the only sniper unlock that's decent is the bow, and we still don't know the damage it does so even that might be useless. Oh and if the cloak and dagger gives a short immunity to fire like many have suggested than it's a fail decision, spy shouldn't get immunity from his counterclass. Edited by tomregev on 21-05-2009 11:03 |
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| Mike |
Posted on 21-05-2009 11:26
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They haven't even shown the hats yet. Oh God... |
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| NaughtyMe |
Posted on 21-05-2009 11:31
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| spaceboy |
Posted on 21-05-2009 11:32
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Posts: 1179 Joined: 06.05.08 |
I assume you mean the Dead Ringer (which is the death feigning one) there Tom, Cloak and Dagger is the one that lets you stay cloaked standing still. I wouldn't suggest for a moment that it should give you immunity to fire.. but it should still cloak you when you're on fire (without showing your burning silhouette) i.e. you're still burning and taking damage, but your position isn't given away (which would make the pretend death pointless). The same should apply to normal damage, you should take it as usual but shouldn't shimmer. If this ISN'T the case then the item will be useless and used by no one.. as it will just result in a spy taking damage and a ragdoll being dropped with a shimmering spy standing over it.. not very convincing I mean even with this necessary facility I'm still uncertain as to how it might work that would make it worth taking in any situation in preference to the other 2 cloak options. |
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| tomregev |
Posted on 21-05-2009 11:40
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Posts: 1021 Joined: 26.06.08 |
Meh same thing. Why shouldn't it show the burn? that's the whole point of pyro vs spy. I can get behind not shimmering from normal damage to make this viable but it shouldn't be the case against pyros. It's like making heavies take damage from backstabs but not a one shot kill. It makes the idea of counterclass meaningless. |
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